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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13030	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:25:00 - [1] - Quote I may not play this game any more but even I see this is a terrible suggestion. Commando's are not primary AV units they are and were called by CCP and the more dedicated Commando base the "Ultimate Suppression Fighters" As an Amarr Commando I'll tell you straight up to bugger off with your poor attempt at making the Commando a 1 rifle, 1 AV weapon suit. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13030	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:33:00 - [2] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: I may not play this game any more but even I see this is a terrible suggestion. Commando's are not primary AV units they are and were called by CCP and the more dedicated Commando base the "Ultimate Suppression Fighters" As an Amarr Commando I'll tell you straight up to bugger off with your poor attempt at making the Commando a 1 rifle, 1 AV weapon suit. rolls eyes Then don't use the AV weapon if you don't want to. I'm just saying one of the big appeals for the Commando is the fact that you can run AV and AP at the same time if you want to, and it would be nice is all commandos had a bonus that benefited that playstyle. I'm just trying to give that option to the Amarr and Caldari, because the Gallente and Minmatar already have the option. Or would you prefer we remove the bonus that Gallente and Minmatar get to the PLC/Swarms? Nope. However half asses fixes mean jack ** at this point, in the case of the Amarr the PLC is a ** poor consolation for CCP's constant failings. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13030	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: So really it's more that you're just bitter than anything else, alright just wanted to make sure. Partially but more to the point why would an Amarr suit get a bonus to a plasma weapon? No reason, it should not happen. The further CCP takes this game away from EVE to appease a community that does not know what it wants and thinks its a good idea to deny the only successful game CCP has ever produced with only serve to push Dust/Legion away from what it should have been. I've been dealing with the lack of Amarrian content for 18 months now, I used to care and say that CCP would surly do their best, quiet frankly they failed in every regard. As a proponent of the Amarr and their correct depiction in Dust I have to say that its a quick fix and best and frankly one that neither solves the problem of lacking Amarrian content nor makes sense from a lore perspective. I do not want my suit, another role I used to love, bastardised because the community "feels" it need an illogical buff. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13030	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:53:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So really it's more that you're just bitter than anything else, alright just wanted to make sure. Partially but more to the point why would an Amarr suit get a bonus to a plasma weapon? No reason, it should not happen. The further CCP takes this game away from EVE to appease a community that does not know what it wants and thinks its a good idea to deny the only successful game CCP has ever produced with only serve to push Dust/Legion away from what it should have been. I've been dealing with the lack of Amarrian content for 18 months now, I used to care and say that CCP would surly do their best, quiet frankly they failed in every regard. As a proponent of the Amarr and their correct depiction in Dust I have to say that its a quick fix and best and frankly one that neither solves the problem of lacking Amarrian content nor makes sense from a lore perspective. I do not want my suit, another role I used to love, bastardised because the community "feels" it need an illogical buff. Because traditionally Amarr weapons deal EM and Thermal damage. But fine, if you're that butthurt about it we wont give the Amarr Commando anything, they can stick with ScR and LsR as the only options that let them have the bonus. Hopefully the Caldari can be enjoying their AV weapon soon and the Amarr can keep shooting at vehicles with their Laser Rifle and wondering why it's not working. I have to ask though, you don't play the game yet you still come on the forums and complain? It's kinda like a drug addict who got cut off from his fix but he's still clawing at the porch of his old dealer and complaining when he wont answer the door. I'd still like to have hope but the best explanation is that I am bored....... since I have a presence in Dust, being my entry into New Eden and an attachment to Kador's character I will never abandon him.... Either way I do not believe Commando's need a bonus to AV weapons, being able to carry them is already enough, the Min and Gal bonuses being inadvertent. To buff the Amarr in such a way would destroy its racial profile in the same way as giving Railgun bonuses to the Minmatar. RPing his character remains my sole link to Dust 514. I still have another 5 years of story planned for him. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13032	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:24:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I suppose you would lose your **** if I suggest secondary damage type bonuses instead? Like +2% to Laser and +1% to Thermal? If CCP were correctly dealing with damage types and damage type resistances I could stand it....but they aren't. Amarr Suits do not have resistances to Explosives and Kinetic Damage like they should, nor do Minmatar suits have high resistances to EM and Thermal Damage. I'd actually rather the Amarr Commando have no AV damage buffs until proper Amarrian AV comes and be underpowered. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13033	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:51:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: True is right. I've played Eve since 2009, and Amarr getting a PLC damage bonus is all kinds of wrong. If anything, Amarr/Caldari should get a bonus to swarms, since swarms are Caldari and Amarr are their allies, and Minmatar/Gallente get a bonus to PLC for the same reasons. My personal preference would be to have Caldari get a explosive damage bonus as well. But there really is no good solution with the lack of racial parity we have. I guess my question is, if the Caldari get the Swarms, then do the Amarr get nothing? They don't need anything. What is required is racial parity not short term fixes. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13045	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:16:00 - [7] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: True Adamance wrote: The further CCP takes this game away from EVE to appease a community that does not know what it wants and thinks its a good idea to deny the only successful game CCP has ever produced with only serve to push Dust/Legion away from what it should have been. The racial thematics of dropsuits and weapons is one of my favorite things about DUST. But half the time when I see a suggestion, it can be really upsetting to see someone try and dismantle the essence of the races of New Eden. However, all the races in New Eden have at least a few missile focused ships. Why not have all 4 races get a bonus to Swarm Launchers. The PLC is unique in its ability to be used as an AP weapon and as a Blaster it fits no one elses themes other than the Gallente. That is true and Khanid, being the missile ships of the Amarr Empire have their own completely seperate racial profiles for bonuses. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13046	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:25:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: That is true and Khanid, being the missile ships of the Amarr Empire have their own completely seperate racial profiles for bonuses. That would probably work well, especially since swarms are by far more commonly used that Plasma Cannons anyways. I suppose my initial reasoning was "Well you need an even amount of PLC and Swarms as not to give an unfair advantage to shield vehicles" but in hindsight that's probably not that much of a factor. I updated the original post with the swarm idea as well. Good discussion guys Only issue is that the Khanid do not use lasers since their schism with the Empire, and how closely they work with Caldari Constructions, chose to make missile based weapons systems instead of laser based...... Sure they can....but they don't get the same cap as standard Amarr ships nor the fitting capacity for them. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13046	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:36:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: That is true and Khanid, being the missile ships of the Amarr Empire have their own completely seperate racial profiles for bonuses. That would probably work well, especially since swarms are by far more commonly used that Plasma Cannons anyways. I suppose my initial reasoning was "Well you need an even amount of PLC and Swarms as not to give an unfair advantage to shield vehicles" but in hindsight that's probably not that much of a factor. I updated the original post with the swarm idea as well. Good discussion guys Only issue is that the Khanid do not use lasers since their schism with the Empire, and how closely they work with Caldari Constructions, chose to make missile based weapons systems instead of laser based...... Sure they can....but they don't get the same cap as standard Amarr ships nor the fitting capacity for them. Right but at the least you've maintained racial parity within the groups primarily originating from the Amarr, so it still works even if its not perfect. Obviously Caldari use missiles as do Minmatar. I forget, are there any Gallente ships that use missiles or is that reserved for Pirate faction ships like the Gurista? (Funny enough while I tend to main Gallente in Dust, I use very few of their ships in EVE) I don't think so. They tend to have drone boats to compensate for that. Gurista's use missiles true but they are using caldari hulls modified with superior Gallente Drone tech. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13048	Posted - 2014.08.26 04:27:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think so. They tend to have drone boats to compensate for that. Gurista's use missiles true but they are using caldari hulls modified with superior Gallente Drone tech. Mmmm I do love my Rattlesnake. Though my Drone skills are lacking, I should get those up. On a Rattlesnake? Yeah you really should 275% Sentry Drone Damage as its role bonus........ you really should be maximising your use of those things. I on the other hand love the Sacrilege. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13048	Posted - 2014.08.26 04:57:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think so. They tend to have drone boats to compensate for that. Gurista's use missiles true but they are using caldari hulls modified with superior Gallente Drone tech. Mmmm I do love my Rattlesnake. Though my Drone skills are lacking, I should get those up. On a Rattlesnake? Yeah you really should 275% Sentry Drone Damage as its role bonus........ you really should be maximising your use of those things. I on the other hand love the Sacrilege. Yeah I know. I'm more of a missile guy anyways but I had Caldari Battleship V so I figured why not move into the Pirate factions a bit? It's a work in progress. On that note we should have pirate dropsuits too I wish Udorian ships/ dropsuits existed.................... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13103	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:50:00 - [12] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: True Adamance wrote: I may not play this game any more but even I see this is a terrible suggestion. Commando's are not primary AV units they are and were called by CCP and the more dedicated Commando base the "Ultimate Suppression Fighters" As an ~~Amarr Commando~~ Amando I'll tell you straight up to bugger off with your poor attempt at making the Commando a 1 rifle, 1 AV weapon suit. FTFY HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO ME AND MY FELLOW COMMANDO'S IN THAT MANNER! WE ARE NOT DAMNABLE SCOUT IN HERE! We are real players from a respectable, not those filthy hipsters. We call out suits exactly what they are, not use lame contractions! "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

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